How many still working

  • 1.  How many still working

    Posted 04-03-2020 15:13
    I would like to see a poll done on how many landman still working. I have been a Trump supporter but I am starting to wonder if his drive for the US to be the Number 1 oil producer in the world has helped to crush this industry any thoughts.

    RIchard Lee
    Sent from my iPhone

  • 2.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-06-2020 10:01
    Why conduct a poll?  This is not a venue for politics.

    Bob Priestly, CPL

    Bob Priestly CPL
    Franklin TX
    (713) 906-xxxx

  • 3.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-07-2020 10:27

    I agree with Bob Priestly, CPL.  This isn't a place for politics or religion, there's social media sites that are abused for that purpose.


    Brian Lundeen, RPL, LPI

    Fort Worth Texas


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    Warren Buffett



  • 4.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-07-2020 13:14
    Very well said! I completely agree with both of you, Enough is enough...

    Very Respectfully, 
    Jeffrey Fike, 
    Independent Landman
    Arriba Industries LLC 
    Arriba, Colorado 80804

  • 5.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-07-2020 13:14
    I think it would be valuable to know how many Landmen are working, their level of certifications & number of years in the business and the geographic region where their activites are located.

    This data, itself, is not political. However, the data & conclusions drawn from it may have political implications. The prospect of finding out something we are afraid to know may suggest it is actually something we in fact need to find out. I think each of us has, at least once, followed the adage "when ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise." and would suggest we reflect back on how that worked out.

    If know the breadth of the problem, in our profession, is important to the AAPL members, then a poll or survey providing this information is equally important.

    Rick Heinzmann
    Charon Land & Title Services Ltd
    Fort Collins CO
    (989) 619-4544

  • 6.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-08-2020 11:41
    The AAPL is doing a Compensation Survey. 

    They've sent out email requests to gather information about the following:

    • 2019 Compensation & Employment Information
    • Demographic Information 
    • AAPL Membership/Certification Levels

    The final results will be featured in the September/October issue of the Landman magazine.

    I think that will be a better source of metric information vs a newsletter that only about 1% of members probably even would reply to regarding same.


    Brian Lundeen RPL
    Landman, Private Investigator
    Peach Energy and Land Services, Inc.
    Fort Worth TX
    (817) 329-3400

  • 7.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-06-2020 10:01
    i am not-- i am with you...SMH

    Stephanie Mata
    Allen TX
    (214) 536-7777

  • 8.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-06-2020 10:02
    Richard Lee:  I would not blame Trump.  At least part of the blame lies with the CEOs of the pure play tight oil companies.
    With the world already oversupplied they added a combined 4.7 million barrels of oil and NGLs in 2018 and 2019 alone.

    What has Trump done for our industry.  Work the phones and broker a deal (hopefully) between Russia and Saudi Arabia.
    Also - with mid-stream and refineries cutting the percentage of oil they will transport and refine - watch the price of oil at least firm up.
    Compare Trump with Chuck Schumer, and Nancy Pelosi.  They have both bashed Trump on the national news for helping the oil industry.

    We are in the commodity business.  Its always boom and bust.  I have been through at least 5 of these downturns.
    I grew up in the oil business and love the business and hardworking, honest landmen.
    But unfortunately again - we are in a commodity industry.  When its up - you better save, pay off any debt, build cash.
    There is always a crash in this business and its right around the corner.

    John Sipple
    Southern Oil Exploration, Inc.
    Fairhope AL
    (251) 517-7362

  • 9.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-07-2020 10:27
    I agree with John Sipple. Well said.  Boom or bust Industry-not "one" person's fault-many forces at work here. Trump is pro-business and pro-America.  I have been a landman for over 40 years. Love the Industry and am fortunate to have always been employed but this downturn is the worst. I have worked both contract and in house. I am current VP of Land for a small Independent (28 years) but have been reduced to 3 days a week with market and economy challenges.

    Hopefully, as tough as this is, we will emerge wiser and do as John said and save money and pay off debt. Because I have been in this Industry so long we started living that lifestyle quite a few years ago.

    Think outside the box! What other skills do you have?

    Michelle Smith
    VP Land
    The Quiat Companies
    Denver, CO
    720 723 2770

  • 10.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-07-2020 10:51
    I agree with you John. I started in 1962 when oil was around $2.50/bbl and the industry was in a
    slump. It came back as it has multiple times since then. Be prepared and build your contacts.
    Jerry Taylor
    Fredericksburg, TX

  • 11.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-08-2020 11:41
    Once again, I'm in complete agreement with my friend John.
    If you only look at what Trump has done with deregulation, that alone justifies my support.

    An astounding report to me - during Obama's 8 years, his cabinet members combined represented a meagre 5 years of work in the private sector. If you've ever had to meet a payroll, you'd understand just how a bureaucrat  can strangle your business.

    To curry the favor with the 1%, B/H Clinton greased the wheels of globalization with NAFTA. Obama bailed out the 1% in the housing crisis.
    Trump came along and put his finger to the point that the elites have been unaccountable for what has been done to the country.

    "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
    Schumer is THE guy in the Senate protecting the interests of hedge fund managers. Pelosi and husband have been feeding at the trough with insider information from the 1% for 30 years. B/H Clinton monetized the Presidency and State Departments, and worse - seeded the federal bureaucracy with their loyal acolytes.

    They are all being protected by the 1%, for whom Trump imperils the tremendous investments made in overseas manufacturing,
    The MSM is literally owned by the 1%, and what you hear and see from their viewpoint should be filtered with informed objectivity.
    Anything that makes these screaming weenies uncomfortable works for me.

    Patrick Gleason
    PMG Associates, Inc.

  • 12.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-06-2020 10:02
    Do you want to go back to the 70's?  When we were at the mercy of OPEC.  Gasoline shortages and long lines. Everyone was on the bandwagon for being the number one oil producer in the world, and energy independent, as long as prices were high. Trump did not make the industry go out and produce all the oil it could find. The free market, capitalist economic model, our country is based on, gave the oil and gas industry the freedom to explore and produce. The decision by Saudi Arabia to flood the market with cheap oil, and take market share from the USA and Russia, is not the fault of Trump. Shutting down the economies of countries all over the world, due to Coronavirus, which has killed demand for energy, is not the fault of Trump. Our business has always been cyclical. My income has been negatively impacted by cheap energy and no demand.  I do not blame Trump.  

  • 13.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-07-2020 11:00

    I remember the 70's .  Those were tough times.  I remember the stay alive till 85 cry in 1984.  I remember the down turn in 2012 after the Shale explosion.  I will remember 2020 for a number of reasons.  A poll is a waste of energy.  What is important is to emphasize the need to not live up to our means but to plan for these downturn cycles because they WILL happen.  How short our memories.   


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  • 14.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-07-2020 13:15
    Edited by Lyndsey Callahan 04-07-2020 13:15
    Folks, no politician in the universe is to blame the oil industry for oversupplying the market. The technology and shale have done it. We are our own worst enemy. Boom or Bust, if the shales are the only thing left to drill for then we are in big big trouble. I am from Louisiana originally and the Legacy lawsuits alone are to blame for the companies wanting to not do business in the state. Lets see, between producers in the shale business getting venture capital money and paying way too much for acreage, thus scaring Wall street to the point they are never coming back. Greed is all around in the oil business. I recently worked for a company that took some Oklahoma properties public and lied to the SEC about the numbers, got caught and went bankrupt and ruined a lot of lives. Since the shale plays came into vogue this business has changed dramatically. When the shales are gone, what's left? I have been in this business since the early 80's. Texas is different too in that the huge units can hold acreage for a long time. After some title curative and such, nothing left to do. After all the VC shops go belly up, the majors and large independents are all that's going to be left. If oil stays in this territory, I would suggest that you find another line of work or else hang on. It's downhill from here. It's unfortunate that the folks in the Permian aren't kings or sheiks. The Saudi's can squeeze us like a tick anytime they want. Watch, the next thing to start happening are the bankruptcy fire sales. Maybe their will be some DD work out there, but not enough to go around. Plus, 325/day after taxes and insurance etc.. is basically poverty wages. Love the work, the pay stinks. Good luck to everyone and stay safe and healthy.

    Rutledge Deas
    Professional Land LLC
    Spring TX
    (281) 796-8066

  • 15.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-08-2020 16:51
    My experience as a Landman and ROW Agent has been on the Title Evidence and Curative side. Worked in the 80's for a Mid Size E & P in the Petroleum Engineering Department. Laid off, like a lot of people in the late 80's and eventually transitioned in Title Examination for Title Company's. Title Company training was extremely beneficial to my Field Title Work.
    Fortunately, since I have three hats, I can transition from Landman, to Title Examiner, to ROW Title Reviewer. Kinda seems like they balance out. During the 2006 Financial Meltdown, Title Companies were laying people off in droves. Currently, through collapse and mergers, only about 3 in 7 title companies remain in San Antonio. Many have merged their Title Operations into Central Locations, 1 per state. If you couldn't or wouldn't re-locate you were fired. That's for the few that were offered the chance to re-locate.
    But, to the point, finally, if you can transition into another career path that uses at least some of your experience. Like me, there will be a transition period, with lots of training, but very little pay. It sucks, being a seasoned Professional, in your late 30's taking direction by 25 year olds. That just may be what some of us need to do. Play the long game, 4-5 years of similar experience, might just be better than maybe getting of few months of work during those entire 5 years, doing landman work.
    When the Financial Crisis in 2006 hit, I had 6 Years of E&P experience, 12+ years of Title Examination experience and the Oil Price had just spiked to over $100/Barrel. When I transitioned to landman work, I worked on MOR and Well Title. Had never done it before, but the work was the same as at the Title Company.
    When the Shale Play petered out, I transition in to ROW Title Review. My managers thought I was a "Title Guru" because of my Title Company Training. I have been blessed. Just not so good a finding people or acquisition. Other Landmen are awesome at that, and I remain amazed at some of my colleagues ability to find, negotiate and sign people up.
    Hang in there and consider transitioning, consider the Long Game, I am praying for you all.
    One, last thing. Im Naval Academy, Class of '81 and we have a Facebook page. The other day, one of my classmates was in awe at the fact that Gasoline was at $1.20/Gallon, in Minnesota. I made a point of mentioning to my classmates the current plight of Energy Professionals. How by doing a fantastic job of developing oil reserves domestically, we have, in essence put our jobs in jeopardy.  By doing such a "Good Job" we have produced tremendous domestic supply and thus, driven Energy Prices down, to the detriment of our entire industry. OUCH !!! 
    J.S."Jerry" Martinez 
    AAPL #75488
    Lic ROW Agent #31456 

  • 16.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-07-2020 13:14

    I would agree with several other posters in that a poll in the current environment is likely not to be helpful.  This is a moment in which much of our industry is in flux and conditions could change quite rapidly - as such, it would be like trying to gauge the oil price in a year to any "spot price" reported in the past week.  $20 WTI?  $25 WTI? $28 WTI?

    Creating US Energy Independence has been a dream of several administrations now.  The prior administration simultaneously touted its contribution to realizing this scenario while at the same time pointed to its "green" street cred and highlighting development of petroleum reserves and production on federal lands and federal leasing was minimal.  The current administration has done its fair share of creating a regulatory environment which has removed many of the transmission bottlenecks which throttled development and help contribute to more uniform (albeit lower, at major hubs) overall pricing (e.g., DAPL, etc.)

    As others more senior to me have stated - as adults in this business we should all be well aware of E&P's cyclical nature and brutal corrections.  The only political question I have had recently has been how buying low-priced oil for the SPR constitutes as a "Big Oil bailout" as Sen. Schumer had been quoted.

    Best regards,

    -- Dion Warr, CPL

    Dion Warr CPL
    Baton Rouge LA
    (225) 937-6692

  • 17.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-08-2020 11:40
    Excellent question Dion? I don't understand that either.

  • 18.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-08-2020 11:44
    Only a few observations here,
    1) Commodities are cyclical, pork bellies, corn, apples, oil, soybeans, etc.
    2) The only thing that will stabilize price and supply is socialism / communism, then there will only be shortages, but full employment!
    3) We are always our own worst enemies, as everyone goes for their share of the pie.
         It's called capitalism and more fundamentally, human nature.
    4) The surest way to forecast an oncoming bust is to take the Midland (TX) Reporter-Telegram newspaper.
         When you see the headline "This time the boom won't end because....." (fill in the blank here) the bust about 14-18 months away.
    5) The industry will come back after the shakeout, it has since 1928, when my grandfather started in the business.
         There will be a new set of shining, optimistic faces with plans to make their fortunes, with the next miracle solutions, and away we go again.
         I hope you each can weather the storm, and join us for the next go round.

    Mark Hannifin
    Midland TX

    Mark Hannifin
    Midland TX

  • 19.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-09-2020 11:57
     "The surest way to forecast an oncoming bust is to take the Midland (TX) Reporter-Telegram newspaper."

    There were a couple of good Midland indicators:
    If Clayton Williams had more than 50 brokers working and suddenly started laying them off  (Claytie was always ahead of the pack in both staffing up and trimming down)


    If you could see more than one big construction crane in the Midland downtown area.

    Either of those that meant the end is nigh....

    Mickey Ryan
    Land Advisor
    Wimberley, TX
    (281) 610-0633

  • 20.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-09-2020 11:54
    NEW POLL!!  How many landmen are still working?? In-house? Independent??  Just curious. Like some of the replies below, I started with $8/oil and .75/mcf. Been through many of these cycles.

    James Freeman
    Corpus Christi TX
    (361) 549-8522

  • 21.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-09-2020 11:56
    I agree. Obtaining accurate data and numbers on how many Landmen have been affected is paramount to understanding the gravity of this downturn. One does not have to state their political affiliation to be a part of a poll. AAPL, by definition, does what it can to support and stand up for the profession as a whole, and in turn that does bleed into politics. Accountability to the financial strength of our industry by political representatives is important. A poll can be done without opinion on that side of things. I currently am not working and I am a 12+ year Landman.

    Colette Von Hanna

    Colette Nies
    New Braunfels TX
    (512) 466-3715

  • 22.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-13-2020 15:13

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  • 23.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-15-2020 11:15

    Good luck finding a bank who will reply to the PPP program . As an independent Landman producer Chase keeps saying they are no longer granting PPP loans. There absolutely no body to call or email .I have tried some other banks where I have accounts which apparently are not accepting applications. 

    I was told the much bigger companies got in the first day and small guys got pushed to the back of the line. 

    Same with the disaster grant . Got number and nothing but radio silence .  

    Grant Rice
    Gasper Rice Resources LTD
    Houston TX
    (281) 381-6000

  • 24.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-18-2020 11:27
    The SBA has stopped taking applications for PPP. They are out of money. They are waiting on congress to propose more money for the program.

    Jill Kinnard

  • 25.  RE: How many still working

    Posted 04-20-2020 15:49

       Suggest you find a First Financial Bank (FFIN) branch. Most of their branches nearest you may be in the Bryan, Conroe or Kingwood areas. They are successfully handling hundreds of PPP loan applications. Hopefully the PPP program will again be funded in the next few days.
                     Lynn Elliott

    Lynn Elliott
    Millican TX
    (936) 825-1825