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Annual Membership Dues

  • 1.  Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 05-29-2020 10:44
    Received email for annual renewal dues, and even though they are not increasing our dues, they still are tone defeat to the membership struggling to put food on their tables and paying their monthly bills! The leadership just can't see or contemplate the severity of how many members that will be lost over the next 2 years, some members may tough out one more year but when they go into another year of "NO" work they will be gone. This is what happens when large organizations get so big they loose site and compassion for their membership when it is most needed. Why not make an inactive membership for $25/yr without the benefits just to keep those members that are not working. Let them receive the newsletter so they can stay updated on what's going on until the industry recovers, and they go back to work and can afford the regular annual dues.

    But, I guess that's to much to ask, they have all their organizational personnel/bureaucracy just like the government has its bureaucracy that never gets down sized until it's to late.

    Really Regrettable,
    Louis Dyess

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    Louis Dyess
    DLMS, LLC
    Columbia MS
    (601) 736-0465
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  • 2.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 30 days ago
    I think this is an excellent idea and one that will pay off in the long run.

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    James Pennington RPL
    Independent
    Nacogdoches TX
    (936) 546-1088
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  • 3.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 29 days ago

    I started this discussion about the Annual Membership Dues & the issue of serious financial hardships that are facing so many of the Indpendent Professional Landmen and must express my appreciation to Louis Dyess for his eloquently stated response, to which I completely agree.

    A.A.P.L. needs to step up to the plate and give options that would offer relief, at least temporarily and the organization can most certainly afford to do this.





  • 4.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 28 days ago
    Yep free handouts to the needy that is the answer. NOT !! We all can't get nor should we rely on a guarantee for anything. Suck it up work a couple of jobs until things get better or change professions.

    GEEEZ the AAPL is starting to sound like a bunch of whiny liberals. 





  • 5.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 28 days ago
    Wow, Larry. I do not think your comments are appropriate for this type profession forum. 
    James C. Harris
    International Oil and Gas Consultancy
    Principal 
    1.214.499.0460





  • 6.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 27 days ago
    I think Larry Lynch's remarks are fine for this forum.

    Independent landmen will adapt to changing conditions.  If we have to find other work, that's fine.  We are not "entitled" to a dues reduction. If the AAPL does not want to offer reduced dues during these difficult times, they will surely lose some members.  That is their choice to make and I won't complain about it.

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    [Paul] [Grant]
    Landman-Lawyer
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  • 7.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 23 days ago
    The bigger question is if one is to find temporary work for a year or more before the industry rebounds with opportunities, what would be the effect on AAPL eligibility if time passes without engaging in the work defined by AAPL as being the eligibility requirement for membership?

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    Salvador Miceli CPL
    La Salle Land Services, LLC
    Mandeville LA
    (337) 258-1142
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  • 8.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 27 days ago

    I agree with James....the post by "Larry" was inappropriate, irrelevant and actually Incoherent to the discussion.   The overly simplistic suggestion that the remedy is merely doing a few jobs or finding other jobs, is Out-of-Touch with the current cirisis.  The very reason that many Professional Landmen are suffering a financial hardship, is because there are not enough avaialble jobs, including other sectors outside of the oil & gas industry.  Additionally,  the logisitics of those few  avaialable jobs can be problematic due to lack of sufficent operating capital that is required of  Independent Landmen for travel expenses, etc.    Let's return to an intelligent exchange of opinions that address the current crisis.  We are discussing and seeking a wide array of Options, such as Waiver for current Dues which would be ideal or Reduction for Current Dues or perhaps a split payment of nominal fee due by June 30th, 2020 and Balance Due in the Fall.   There are Many independent landmen that have families, including children at home and $125.00 dues could buy alot of groceries.







  • 9.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 26 days ago

    Hello Mr. Terry,

    I know the topic here is about dues. But there is a larger issue at hand, specifically the lack of jobs available for Landmen. I am under the impression that the USA has pumped and stored so much oil and gas as well as OPEC pumping an extremely large amount of oil and gas, that the supply is way too high and the demand is way too low. Please correct me if I am wrong. 

    I have only been in the business for about 6 years so I wasn't around during 80s oil bust but the industry rebounded extraordinarily well with oil prices soaring to $100+ per barrel in the early 2010s.

    Is it possible, or more appropriately, I should ask will a rebound of epic proportions happen again in the near future? Or has the damage been done and we may not ever see plenty of work for Landmen again?

    kind Regards 



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    Trevor Dubensky RPL
    Keystone Landman Services Inc.
    Pittsburgh PA
    (978) 995-2224
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  • 10.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 26 days ago
    Please excuse me for my some of my comments as I am caught up in our present national situation and economy. The membership has every right to request lower dues or an abolition of dues for the year. My comments should have directed to certain people and their comments or requests.

    Good luck to all and to some, limit your complaints as there are millions who are worse off than yourself.



     





  • 11.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 23 days ago
    Greetings,

    This year there are alot of free education credits to had for thos $125 dues. The association will only be weakened by pandering to all these exclusionary, but cover more offerings, and gimme free stuff notions.

    Kind Regards,


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    Ryan Kopp RPL
    WBI Energy Transmission
    Glendive MT
    (812) 217-0743
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  • 12.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 23 days ago
    Terry, the reality is one or the other, are there not enough jobs available or are there just too many Professional Landmen?  Supply & demand rules all markets, to remain a Landman today requires the art of survival and that can be a very tricky beast.

    Good luck,

    Peter F. Lockhart, CPL

    1135 Shady Lane
    Ashland, Ohio 44805
    (419) 651-0105






  • 13.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 23 days ago


    Good Morning, Peter

    Thanks for the friendly message and opinion.  Even just cursory research would show that the far greater factor on the job market for Professional Landment, has been impacted by the Global #COVID-19 Pandemic.  And that has resulted not only in loss of available jobs in the Energy Sector, but also in practically every other sector of businesses.  So to those that suggest to go get a temporary job, is really overly simplistic and not reality.

    My reasons for originating this discussion was because I care not just for myself, but for so many of our colleagues like myself, that have invested decades of time to our profession, many of those that are trying to raise and protect their families in situation that has no predictable resolution in the very near future.   

    In any event, Thanks again for your friendly posting

    Best of Luck to you as well,

    ~ Terry M. Ray







  • 14.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 26 days ago
    James,
    Please be advised that there is no forum requirement that a post be civil, coherent, courteous, thoughtful, etc.  Especially when it is easier to resort to name-calling, denying a problem exists, offering unrealistic solutions (or any solution), denying a problem exists, or denying a problem exists.  Sound familiar?

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    Larry Terry CPL
    Bodhi Land Services, LLC
    Tyler TX
    (903) 570-6904
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  • 15.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 26 days ago
    Might it be possible on a confidential basis to request a split of the annual dues into three payments ($42, 42, 41)?  That would allow many underemployed landmen to maintain their certification during this extremely difficult time and would not hurt the Association in the long run.  The only downside I see is a little extra accounting documentation for AAPL.  I really hate to see anyone give up their well-earned CPL certification because of a pandemic and low priced oil.

    We really are all in this together.


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    Michele Schrandt CPL
    Consulting Landman
    Cobra Oil & Gas Corporation
    Wichita Falls TX
    (940) 716-5100
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  • 16.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 27 days ago
    I understand the frustration of those members that are not working. However, it is not likely that AAPL, nor any other organization will excuse dues.
    One thing that I would suggest to whomever can implement this, is a little bit of grace on CPL credits.  Education was difficult from March to May, and is still problematic. Many organizations, because of sheltering in place and other hardships, have extended the deadline for doing CLE or other accreditation for a year. In other words, if your credits are due in 2020, they would be extended until 2021, etc.

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    Tim Dowd
    Elias, Books, Brown & Nelson
    Oklahoma City OK
    (405) 232-3746
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  • 17.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 26 days ago
    Tim,

    I agree with your recommendation that the AAPL give the CPL's a little bit of grace on credits (extending the deadline for CPL credits for a year).

    Thanks.


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    C. McPherren CPL
    Rockwell Energy Resources, LLC
    Oklahoma City OK
    (214) 793-3915
    C.McPherren
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  • 18.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 23 days ago
    I'm not one to give my two cents in these discussions, but come on people. I too understand the financial hardships of many in the petroleum industry at this time. However, dues are $125...that's very little and I know that whether you are/were in-house or in the field, your day rate should have well covered this. I get it if you can't find work right now, but this should be factored into your yearly budget. If being a member of AAPL is important to you, then pony up and pay the dues. If not, don't renew and move on. I just can't understand why so many professionals are complaining about paying for a valuable resource that costs about the same as a few tanks of gas.

    And one other thing that I haven't seen mentioned (if it has, my apologies), but the annual meeting is FREE this year. $0.00 and you can earn to 20 credits! That's huge! It's $600 to attend not including travel and lodging. So, for all of you complaining about AAPL's lack of compassion or whatever, give them some serious credit for providing such an awesome deal to the members. That alone should be enough justification to pay your annual dues this year.

    Good luck to everyone during this tough time in the industry.

    Luke H. Shaw, RPL









  • 19.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 23 days ago
    Tim, that's great idea.

    I began a reply to this thread some time ago but got distracted & never sent it.  The gist of my reply was that I would rather see a decrease in the cost of CPL recertification than our annual dues, which are less than what I spent at the grocery store this morning, eliminated or decreased.  I have not worked since January but intend to pay my dues.  And, the fact that I can get 20 hours of recertification credits for free via the virtual Annual meeting, AAPL read my mind.  $600.00 discount, that is huge.  If one adds in travel, lodging, meals, fun, etc., I'm saving thousands of dollars.

    Times are tough, money is tight, people will change careers, day rates will go down but I still believe in the industry and have no plans to go elsewhere anytime soon.

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    Peter Lockhart CPL
    Independent
    Ashland OH
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  • 20.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 26 days ago

    Larry,

     

    The AAPL mission is to keep the AAPL going; they need cash. They are going to do what it takes to survive, do not expect the dues to be reduced unless it is to their benefit. It is that plain and simple. It is a business decision.

     

    Did you go through the 1986 Savings and Loan bust that lasted from 1986 to about 2003? Did you know that almost every independent oil company went out of business? When PetroHawk drilled the South Texas Syndicate well that set off the horizontal play, the landmen who had been struggling in the business for twenty years got nothing except for a lot of competition from young landmen. Did experience and knowledge or competence account for anything – no. Get ready for a long slog.

     

    Steve McQueen, the British TV and movie writer, used the phrase "radiant shades of grey" on the Academy awards show a couple of years back. Nothing is black and white; the world is a constant understanding of radiant shades of grey. You might want to temper your comments. God bless you.

     

    Andrew

     

    Andrew Grohe

    2400 McCullough Ave.

    PO Box 15035

    San Antonio, Texas 78212

    andrew@andrewgrohe.com

    210-215-4689

     






  • 21.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 30 days ago
    I am retired, but have to agree that it seems the AAPL has no idea of the hardship its rank and file members are going through.  If it maintains its full price membership dues, it will lose membership.

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    Thomas Gray CPL
    Crowley LA
    (337) 288-3841
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  • 22.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 29 days ago

    I agree with my friend Thomas Gray, but there's a slim chance of AAPL reducing dues,  they didn't do it during the 80s bust and I dropped my membership in 1989 after being out of work for over a year.  I rejoined 5 years later but it cost me a CPL .

     

    Karl Bourque
    Lafayette Land Services LLC

    PO Box 53961
    Lafayette, LA 70505

    Tel: 337 233 8500

    Fax: 337 233 8584

    Cell: 337 230 3417

     






  • 23.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 28 days ago
    Thomas there is a senior landman status.  No one seems to discuss mention this, including the managment and officers of the AAPL.  I have attached the link below
    \https://www.landman.org/membership/membership-types/senior-membership

    Good luck
    James

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    James Harris RPL
    International Oil & Gas Consultancy
    Flower Mound TX
    (214) 499-0460
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  • 24.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 26 days ago
    You all do realize that we are getting free credits right now toward our RPLs and CPLs via online classes…that is way more (in credits) than discounting memberships! Stop Complaining. The world needs less entitlement and more unity. Work Hard, Play Hard. Tie your shoes and wash your face. Get back to it.




  • 25.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 26 days ago
    I am in Retired Status with the AAPL and it's an appropriate program/status for my level of participation in the industry and my requirements of the benefits from AAPL.

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    Thomas Gray CPL
    Crowley LA
    (337) 288-3841
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  • 26.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 26 days ago
    Requires that you have been a member for 15 consecutive years. That cuts a lot of us out. I am not complaining about the dues. I have already renewed. The likelihood of AAPL reducing dues is equivalent to a HOA reducing there dues.

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    James Freeman
    Independent
    Self-Employed
    Corpus Christi TX
    (361) 549-8522
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  • 27.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 26 days ago
    Karl Bourque

    The same thing happened to me, except twice.  I don't know if I am the only one to have tested to become a CPL three different times, but I am pretty sure that there aren't that many of us.

    I requested to have my original CPL number, use for the first two times, reinstated the third I because a CPL, but they couldn't be bothered with that either.  Neve mind that I have the original CPL certificate and all of the backup material they could possibly need.  Apparently it meant more to me than it did to them.

    As for the issue of dues relief, why can't we let those that need the relief apply for it.  Those that can afford it should be free to keep paying for it.  I don't see anything wrong with helping those that are still committed to what the organization stands for, but that are in economic distress.

    Steve Dunn, CPL #3177 and #79718
    Steven.R.Dunn@gmail.com
    (512) 953-3866  (Office)
    (512) 791-5312  (Cell)







  • 28.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 23 days ago


    Karl Bourque
    cell 337 230 3417





  • 29.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 23 days ago

    Karl

    Thanks for your Rational & Caring Response to the plight of those many Professional :Landmen, especially those with famiilies to protect, that as Indpendents, do not have a wide array of alternative resources to meet their financial needs during this crisis

    No one is preventing those that are most fortunate, such as consistently employed In-House Landmen, from paying their annual dues.

    One of the primary reasons for this discussion, is to propose Optiions, even if just temporary, to alleviate those most impacted







  • 30.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 23 days ago
    For my years of work with Landmen, often as their supervisor, I repeatedly advised each one to SAVE part of their income because the day will come when the company CEO would announce “it’s a dry hole, let’s shut it down” and everyone had to walk. I worked in the industry from 1957 until 2014. Went through several “busts” and survived until the industry opened up again. Joined AAPL, made it as an RPL and continued paying my dues until my retirement. During all those years, even as retired, I was not offered any reduction of AAPL dues. I was never able to convince the younger Landmen to save money enough to carry them through the lay-off times. And the lay-off times will come.

    Sent from my iPhone
    LaVerne Broussard
    318-294-4011
    lavernejb@aol.com




  • 31.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 30 days ago
    I totally agree with you!  I see no attempt to help the members who support them!  Business as usual! It's see the lack of support.  No even a discount!

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    Debbie Hill
    Diamond Road Energy, LLC
    Richmond TX
    (337) 349-0224
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  • 32.  RE: Annual Membership Dues

    Posted 26 days ago
    Simple solution for those that feel the annual membership is too expensive in these tough times. DON'T RENEW.  When our industry picks back up and you get a job that is subject to being a member of the AAPL just renew. It takes about two minutes online or on the phone.

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    James Freeman
    Independent
    Self-Employed
    Corpus Christi TX
    (361) 549-8522
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